1) We all saw the beat down in the detention center coming. I like that the visitor info came off a web page, but I wonder if these guys are still involved on the fringe.
Events
1) Grahm, I did not like the pacing of this part of the story, I think it just missed, Grahm giving up the info on McCarthy too quickly, the father trying to do it on his own, the predictiable family loyalty angle. I don't know, not the tightest written episode from that side of things.
2) Karen resigning to protect Bill, again, nuclear bombs going off and the President allows her to go to LA? Stop it, he was a chief of staff, he knows about the political shit going on, he should have told her that whatever the threat to her personally she owed the COuntry her service at this time of crisis. Poor leadership as far as I am concerned.
Interesting Things
1) Milo signing in for Nadia, hwo is that goingt o haunt him? Simple overreaching by her or deliberate action? Tough to say.
2) Dad. I am glad it is the Cromwell from LA Story and not Six Feet Under. He can be a badass if they let him.
3) CTU finally is just letting Jack do whatever the hell he wants. That is the trust Buchanhan has with him. So that means someone else will betray him, any guesses? Early money is on the President again.
4) The interplay between McCarthy and Fassad is nice, 7 million. Odd number. The fact that anyone they find will need to be forced to change the triggers was important to note, although, I am not sure, change the triggering device and kill thousands or don't do it and kill you and your family. Always the big moral dilemma.
OK Gotta agree with Ted was transition show a little slow at times but definately showing sone of what to expect.
1) I definatley think it will come back to haunt Milo for logging Nadia in. I now think she is a sleeper agent.
2) As far as Graem who is to say that what he told Jack is really the truth. Appears to me he was the son who was a screw up and Dad needed to bail him out again. We also saw he was more in control then we thought. Maybe he knew his men would be there so that is why he went with Jack so easily. went for the back up.
3) So will Karen's transfer to CTU put her above Bill or under him? Should be interesting to see the now married couple working together so closely.
4) Well this week I have once again gone back to disliking Lennox. I definately don't trust him.
In one stroke we see daddy Bauer being a person who has a calm, analytical mind in contrast to Jack who may be a bit impulsive.
Graem (on a side note, who the hell spells it this way?) was WAY more in control last season and seems to be WAY too much of a sniveling weiner this year. Yeah, yeah, I know, it was all according to his plan. I still don't like it.
A don't buy Karen's resignation for a second. First and forwmost, LA just had a nuke go off within city limits and, when the country needs stability and swiftness of action the most, you are going to make things even worse by resigning from your post of NSA? All to protect your husband's job? Service of one's country should take higher billing than protecting your husband's job. Even on a purely mercenary level, how much cann the CTU chief gig really pay? How much does the NSA gig pay? Yeah, yeah, I know, NSA lasts only as long as the current admonistration, but, those people get $20,000 a pop on the lecture circuit after retirement. You mean to tell me that the person who was NSA during America's most horrific time in history is not going to command top pay for her speeches? Bad, stupid, irrational move that does not jive with reality. Lastly, there is no way Palmer had to acccept it. He could have simply said "fine... in one week" and that was it. Silly plot line.
I like the fact that the guys in the holding center were just keyboard commandos. However, that does knock my whole prediction about the Walid sub-plot out of the water.
Note: James Cromwell is, like, 6'5" or something like that. Seemingly, Mrs. Bauer was a midget.
Not sure Nadia is going to be a mole. They are certainly setting us up for that, but, they will not follow through.
I still like Lennox. Nothing about him is sneaky, underhanded or unctuous. He does what he does because he thinks it is the right thing to do. I don't see him being some guy who wants to turn America into a war zone. I mean, really, what does he, or anyone, gain from such a scenario?
P.S. Karen, if you have to come out and say: "Look, I am not some bleeding heart liberal..." chances are, you are.
Definitely a transition show and I can't disagree with anything that has been posted.
Karen's resignation would never happen- and I thought she had more backbone than to cave into Lennox's demands. Everyone has been right on the money that in no way, shape or form would that ever fly.
Graham or Graem- or as Jack says "Grey" (isn't that what it sounds like?) goes from a sniveling, whiney little bitch back to his wizard of oz post -- telling his grunts to take both Jack and his father away. Give me a break. Both those guys will be dead by the end of the next episode and Jack will again have Graham in a chair and this time he won't take the bag of his head. the whole story was just filler. BTW- Ted did you mean the Dad was from LA Confidential? Great movie. Never saw how he would be the dirty cop-- but that's not here nor there.
Any odds on whether Walleed is dead? I'd hate that to be so only b/c it would mean that Sandra Palmer was right-- which would be very annoying to me.
I don't think Nadia is a mole either-- that's just a set up.
Last night was the episode of prolonged glances--- I counted 3:
1. Glance between Jack and Graham's wife-- way too long.
2. Glance between Milo and Nadia after he gave her his passowrd-- way too long.
3. Glance between McCarthy and his g/f in the car-- way way way too long.
And btw- what's her deal? Why would he involve her in something like that and drag her along for the ride? Her character is completely useless unless they give her a task. If they don't, then move on. Alos- didn't someone say last week how wrongly cast McCarthy is-- whoever said that is right.
Was Fayed even in last night's episode? This whole thing with Jack and his family is a huge tangent-- it better be worth it.
Interestingly, this season isn't giving us the opportunity to give the technical analysiss we did last season. I think so many people hit them over the head with the "you can't deliver poison gas in a natrual gas line because it would burn off, especially when the protagonist neutralizes that gas buy burning it" that the writers might have shied away.
The other problem right now is they have not gotten a very interesting second and third story going.
The White House has always been the second part of 24 that allowed for good pacing. Right now that is very slow. Plus, now that I think about it, this part of the sotry also had the pulling of personal loyalties and public duty. Obviously, they are trying to set that up with Sandra Palmer but she is not at the Whitehouse and is not close enought to her Brother to justify the drama needed in that story. Plus, Karen walking out of the show for the next four episodes gives Lennox free reign at the Whitehouse. We will see him undermine the president for a couple of episodes, President figures it out, dramatic moment.
I wonder if Audrey's father gets called into duty? That would be fun. And give Audrey a reason to find out about Jack being back.
Finally, what is the deal at CTU? We need more internal drama, they better have Milo or Nadia or Morris step up and make things interesting. I think it would be cool if the person that can be forced to reconfigure the triggers is related or known to someone at CTU. We need more conflict.
Who killed them by the way, I guess Graem had more then the two henchman in the office, did we see them? And did Graem leave in his car or take Jacks CTU vehicle?
I think the 2nd story that you touched upon --the White House will have to get stronger and now that Karen Hayes is out of the loop it will be interesting to see how influenced Wayne Palmer becomes. Also- we need to get the VP involved. I would love for Heller to come back- but I don't know what position he'd be in. He would have to have been appointed by a new pres. and that often doesn't happen.
I guess after you detonate a nuclear bomb and estimate 12,000 dead- you need to slow things down a bit. That was still unbelievable. I'm also not over Jack killing Curtis.
Can't dispute anything that has been posted so far.
Also, I think Mitch is exactly on point about the need to ramp things down after killing Curtis and exploding a nuke in LA.
I know Powers Booth has been cast to play the VP. He is never a nice guy, so, things should begin to heat up soon.
However, I call "BS" first if Palmer and the VP meet in the bunker because, by law, the two can not be in the same place in the time of a national emergency of this sort.
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Transistion Show.
Predictions
1) We all saw the beat down in the detention center coming. I like that the visitor info came off a web page, but I wonder if these guys are still involved on the fringe.
Events
1) Grahm, I did not like the pacing of this part of the story, I think it just missed, Grahm giving up the info on McCarthy too quickly, the father trying to do it on his own, the predictiable family loyalty angle. I don't know, not the tightest written episode from that side of things.
2) Karen resigning to protect Bill, again, nuclear bombs going off and the President allows her to go to LA? Stop it, he was a chief of staff, he knows about the political shit going on, he should have told her that whatever the threat to her personally she owed the COuntry her service at this time of crisis. Poor leadership as far as I am concerned.
Interesting Things
1) Milo signing in for Nadia, hwo is that goingt o haunt him? Simple overreaching by her or deliberate action? Tough to say.
2) Dad. I am glad it is the Cromwell from LA Story and not Six Feet Under. He can be a badass if they let him.
3) CTU finally is just letting Jack do whatever the hell he wants. That is the trust Buchanhan has with him. So that means someone else will betray him, any guesses? Early money is on the President again.
4) The interplay between McCarthy and Fassad is nice, 7 million. Odd number. The fact that anyone they find will need to be forced to change the triggers was important to note, although, I am not sure, change the triggering device and kill thousands or don't do it and kill you and your family. Always the big moral dilemma.
OK Gotta agree with Ted was transition show a little slow at times but definately showing sone of what to expect.
1) I definatley think it will come back to haunt Milo for logging Nadia in. I now think she is a sleeper agent.
2) As far as Graem who is to say that what he told Jack is really the truth. Appears to me he was the son who was a screw up and Dad needed to bail him out again. We also saw he was more in control then we thought. Maybe he knew his men would be there so that is why he went with Jack so easily. went for the back up.
3) So will Karen's transfer to CTU put her above Bill or under him? Should be interesting to see the now married couple working together so closely.
4) Well this week I have once again gone back to disliking Lennox. I definately don't trust him.
Thats it for me.
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Graem is not the main protagoanist, I think it will be Dad
OK.. saw the espisode. Favorite line:
"Evidently!"
In one stroke we see daddy Bauer being a person who has a calm, analytical mind in contrast to Jack who may be a bit impulsive.
Graem (on a side note, who the hell spells it this way?) was WAY more in control last season and seems to be WAY too much of a sniveling weiner this year. Yeah, yeah, I know, it was all according to his plan. I still don't like it.
A don't buy Karen's resignation for a second. First and forwmost, LA just had a nuke go off within city limits and, when the country needs stability and swiftness of action the most, you are going to make things even worse by resigning from your post of NSA? All to protect your husband's job? Service of one's country should take higher billing than protecting your husband's job. Even on a purely mercenary level, how much cann the CTU chief gig really pay? How much does the NSA gig pay? Yeah, yeah, I know, NSA lasts only as long as the current admonistration, but, those people get $20,000 a pop on the lecture circuit after retirement. You mean to tell me that the person who was NSA during America's most horrific time in history is not going to command top pay for her speeches? Bad, stupid, irrational move that does not jive with reality. Lastly, there is no way Palmer had to acccept it. He could have simply said "fine... in one week" and that was it. Silly plot line.
I like the fact that the guys in the holding center were just keyboard commandos. However, that does knock my whole prediction about the Walid sub-plot out of the water.
Note: James Cromwell is, like, 6'5" or something like that. Seemingly, Mrs. Bauer was a midget.
Not sure Nadia is going to be a mole. They are certainly setting us up for that, but, they will not follow through.
I still like Lennox. Nothing about him is sneaky, underhanded or unctuous. He does what he does because he thinks it is the right thing to do. I don't see him being some guy who wants to turn America into a war zone. I mean, really, what does he, or anyone, gain from such a scenario?
P.S. Karen, if you have to come out and say: "Look, I am not some bleeding heart liberal..." chances are, you are.
Definitely a transition show and I can't disagree with anything that has been posted.
Karen's resignation would never happen- and I thought she had more backbone than to cave into Lennox's demands. Everyone has been right on the money that in no way, shape or form would that ever fly.
Graham or Graem- or as Jack says "Grey" (isn't that what it sounds like?) goes from a sniveling, whiney little bitch back to his wizard of oz post -- telling his grunts to take both Jack and his father away. Give me a break. Both those guys will be dead by the end of the next episode and Jack will again have Graham in a chair and this time he won't take the bag of his head. the whole story was just filler. BTW- Ted did you mean the Dad was from LA Confidential? Great movie. Never saw how he would be the dirty cop-- but that's not here nor there.
Any odds on whether Walleed is dead? I'd hate that to be so only b/c it would mean that Sandra Palmer was right-- which would be very annoying to me.
I don't think Nadia is a mole either-- that's just a set up.
Last night was the episode of prolonged glances--- I counted 3:
1. Glance between Jack and Graham's wife-- way too long.
2. Glance between Milo and Nadia after he gave her his passowrd-- way too long.
3. Glance between McCarthy and his g/f in the car-- way way way too long.
And btw- what's her deal? Why would he involve her in something like that and drag her along for the ride? Her character is completely useless unless they give her a task. If they don't, then move on. Alos- didn't someone say last week how wrongly cast McCarthy is-- whoever said that is right.
Was Fayed even in last night's episode? This whole thing with Jack and his family is a huge tangent-- it better be worth it.
"the week of prolonged glances"
That really made me laugh.
You are right on the mark with that though.
Interestingly, this season isn't giving us the opportunity to give the technical analysiss we did last season. I think so many people hit them over the head with the "you can't deliver poison gas in a natrual gas line because it would burn off, especially when the protagonist neutralizes that gas buy burning it" that the writers might have shied away.
BTW, Cromwell is actually 6'7".
Momma Bauer was REALLY a midget.
The other problem right now is they have not gotten a very interesting second and third story going.
The White House has always been the second part of 24 that allowed for good pacing. Right now that is very slow. Plus, now that I think about it, this part of the sotry also had the pulling of personal loyalties and public duty. Obviously, they are trying to set that up with Sandra Palmer but she is not at the Whitehouse and is not close enought to her Brother to justify the drama needed in that story. Plus, Karen walking out of the show for the next four episodes gives Lennox free reign at the Whitehouse. We will see him undermine the president for a couple of episodes, President figures it out, dramatic moment.
I wonder if Audrey's father gets called into duty? That would be fun. And give Audrey a reason to find out about Jack being back.
Finally, what is the deal at CTU? We need more internal drama, they better have Milo or Nadia or Morris step up and make things interesting. I think it would be cool if the person that can be forced to reconfigure the triggers is related or known to someone at CTU. We need more conflict.
L.A. Confidential, right, LA Story was Steve Martin. Brain Fart
I wonder if the show became too technical and turned people off? Somehow I dno't think so- but its just a question.
Also, don't you think the Escalades that the CTU Tac teams drive around in would have bullet proof glass? Just wondering....
Who killed them by the way, I guess Graem had more then the two henchman in the office, did we see them? And did Graem leave in his car or take Jacks CTU vehicle?
I think the 2nd story that you touched upon --the White House will have to get stronger and now that Karen Hayes is out of the loop it will be interesting to see how influenced Wayne Palmer becomes. Also- we need to get the VP involved. I would love for Heller to come back- but I don't know what position he'd be in. He would have to have been appointed by a new pres. and that often doesn't happen.
I will say this, the first four episodes were great, the next two were ehh, they have 18 hours, it needs to start moving forward .
I guess after you detonate a nuclear bomb and estimate 12,000 dead- you need to slow things down a bit. That was still unbelievable. I'm also not over Jack killing Curtis.
Can't dispute anything that has been posted so far.
Also, I think Mitch is exactly on point about the need to ramp things down after killing Curtis and exploding a nuke in LA.
I know Powers Booth has been cast to play the VP. He is never a nice guy, so, things should begin to heat up soon.
However, I call "BS" first if Palmer and the VP meet in the bunker because, by law, the two can not be in the same place in the time of a national emergency of this sort.
Law or Secret Service protocol?
I can't remember if either of you watch previews. I do. But I won't say anything if you don't.
Its not a spoiler- but an answer to John's post about Pres and VP being in the same place.
I thought it was by law. However, upon further review, I can not come up with anything to back that statement up.
It could just be protocol.
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