Tuesday, January 16, 2007

Jack is Back...


... and he is apparently very hungry.

I have to say, I was expecting the bite to the neck. It was the only thing he could do. What I was not expecting is the camera to stay on the scene long enough to get the spit out of the chunk of flesh. That made me go "OHHH!" out loud.

Ted beat me to the punch on the input. So, I will simply build on what he, and Erica, said.

Mysteries that will be revealed?

1) What did Chinese get for releasing Jack? I say Missile Technology.

I think it can be almost anything. My bet is that the Chinese will not be in the picture anymore though.

2) Who is the CTU nemesis to Jack? Nadia? Milo? English Guy? I say Nadia turns into more of a thorn then anyone.

I know it is practically mandatory for someone in CTU to be "bad", but, I am not sure they are going that route this season. I think the bad guy will be Thomas Lennox, at least for a while. I am not sure he will be the bad guy all season. It is too early to tip the hand on the main foil. Moreover, I kind of like him. Despite his somewhat questionable methods, I really think he has the best interest of the country at heart and, more importantly, I loved the way he dismissed Sandra Palmer (my most annoying character) on the phone when he said this would make the subject of a great law review article. In other worlds: "you are an idealistic academic living in fantasy land and I am dealing with a life-and-death scenario. Now, please, shut up." I loved it.

3) Is the Presidents sister married to a terrorist? I say no, but it is early.

Regarding this whole Antigone subplot with Sandra Palmer, I find her to be completely annoying and wholly wrong. Moreover, I found her actions to be completely over-the-line and felt that her brother's slight-of-hand dismissal of her actions to be reprehensible. Simply put, if she was such a "law and order" person, she would have complied with the subpoena, filed a motion with the court, and obtained a protective order. Her actions SMACKED of "I am the President's sister and I can do what I want."

Regarding the husband, I say he was definitely not a terrorist going into detention. I think his plot line will play out like this: He gets valuable information-he is wrongfully interrogated by the staff-he contemplates not giving the information because he is so mad-in the end, he divulges the information because it is the right thing to do, regardless of how he was treated and that information saves the day.

However, Erica raises a good point. Could Sandra be the person with something to hide? I did not think of that and I think that would be an awesome plot twist.

4) What is in the package? My guess is a detonator device.

no comment.

5) And the big one, can Assad be trusted? I say in the end yes.

no comment.

Kudos

1) Nice beat down scene of Kumar in the house. The kick into the coffee table, cliché but effective.

I liked it too. I told MB this morning that Kumar was a terrorist and she laughed. I have to say, I kept expecting Kumar to start cracking up in a stoner voice and say: "haaaa!!! psyche! Lets get baked!"

2) Good missile attack on the house in Inglewood. Interesting no mention of collateral casualties. I also think that if a man tells you a house is going to be destroyed by missile securing the files on the CPU is useless.

You would be surprised how much stuff they retrieve from a blown up hard drive. Moreover, they had no idea what kind of munition was going to be used, so, I think it was a prudent decision.

3) Audrey, my daughter, well done.

Agreed.

4) Everyone once again realizing Jack is always right.

You would think that they would just know that already!

5) The fact that cities without a Jack Bauer are just screwed.

Agreed. Thankfully, Newark has a John Shotter, so, this city is safe.


Missed the mark.

1) The subway scene, too predictable, plus I cannot believe LA has guys checking tickets on the subway, but what do I know.

I did not mind that. In fact, I liked the little touch concerning the subway posters. If you look, they were all "report suspicious behavior" posters. I thought that was well done.

2) Chloe getting Nadia to break protocol and explain everything we needed to know about why Jack was back. Why couldn't they just have us in the meeting? Can't Chloe ever follow protocol?

When that whole thing started to unfold, I rolled my eyes. I would have been pissed if Chloe and her little friend managed to outwit the entire nation there. I was glad it backfired because it would have been TOTALLY lame if it did not.

3) Milo, that actor is like Rudy last year, out of place on 24. He screams slacker.

Not sure what I think about him yet. The shaved head, and the terrorist's shaved head, have me a little on guard (not much to go on, I know).


4) Yes, they have not explained Wayne as president yet, I do like the fact that this country elected a black president in David Palmer, he serves one term, and then four years later elects the second black President, his younger brother. The Palmers are not the black Kennedys.

Apparently, they are. I don't like him as President. Also, it seems they went with the "not-sure-of-himself" President route again. Not sure anyone can be as good as Charles Logan in that role. Moreover, as stated above, I really was shocked how he set his sister free. Not only does it nullify the whole Antigone plotline they could have developed, but, it smacked of corruption.

5) Once again, the easiest perimeter to breach is a CTU perimeter.

Again, I always think of General Stilwell in the movie 1941 when he asks a soldier incredulously: "You can hold one block can't you?"

All in all, great season opener.

What got me the most was how real it felt. The Cetnox gas thing always had a bit of the old 1970s James Bond (i.e. corny) feel to it. This felt real and felt dangerously close to reality. I like this a lot. However, I just KNOW that the BTG will be implicated in this and, officially, feel this is lame.

Can't people hate America and our way of life without rich white people being the real villains pulling the strings?

64 Comments:

Blogger John S. said...

One more thing...

When Chloe took it upon herself to look for satellite imagery at the house right before it was hit, I shook my head.

Do you mean to tell me she was the only person to think of this?!?!?!?!? L-A-M-E.

Moreover, the photo image of Jack was from the side. Please, do tell... what satellite takes pictures from a POV of approx 20 feet off the ground?

January 16, 2007 9:54 AM  
Blogger John S. said...

Another thing.

"Today I can die for something."

I was never so proud to have known Jack.

Moreover, did you note how, as soon as he found out that he would be dying for nothing, he changed modes?

Good stuff.

January 16, 2007 10:10 AM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Moving on to Monday's Episode.

Overall Perspective

Again, I enjoyed it. It slowed down in some areas, but not unbearably so. My biggest problem right now is Regina King/Susan Palmer is both a weak actress and a weak character. In theory she could be the balance the show needs in order to counterbalance Lennox. But deleting the files only makes her suspicious and her speeches to her brother are just poorly performed. She dies not have the gravitas needed to deliver this performance. I think an older sister with more pull with Wayne would have served better.

I enjoyed the fact her boyfreind is now a unwilling spy in the detention camp and I think you might be dead on with regards to his future cooperation being impacted by the abuse he sees around him.

Curtis

Man, I did not see the way Jack neutralized him coming, right to the throat, just powerfully done in my opinion. I thought his facial expressions of disgust throughout the episiode were a little over the top but clearly they were building to him snapping sooner than I expected.

Jack's emotional breakdown was well done. Now, a nuclear explosion in Valencia California is still in a largely populated area, it is just north of LA and about even with Santa Barbara, but farther inland. There is a pretty big National Forest on the map I look at and I will guess that the wind will be blowing north covering this open land and limiting the effects of the radiation fallout. Still lots of casualties. Any guess if CTU loses family members in this blast? They did it in Season four with Edgar's mom so I doubt it.

Is the nuke enough to bring Jack back or does he need something more? Jack has always had that second aspect that spurs him on, family and loved ones in individual danger as well as the country. It has allowed for those dramatic moments of Jack choosing one over the other. They will probably do that again, Spoilers have indicated a family member is involved but if you do not know it I will not say anymore.

Kumar, nice cameo. Well done, his previous nice guy stuff actually helped you believe he was not a terrorist and his recent recruiting made you believe this was difficult for him. The son was in that Skateboarding movie, Lords of Dogtown but I think he is done.
Nice twist on letting the wife go when he asked for the son.

That father was interesting, I think Kumar would have not killed the electronics store owner, but this guy did. Then he delivers the component without trying anything, Seemed off.

January 16, 2007 10:11 AM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Was it satellite photos? I thought it was from the helicopters.

January 16, 2007 10:13 AM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Other thoughts

The suitcase nuclear device. My guess is it would be pretty heavy. They were lifting it like it was just a prop bomb.

January 16, 2007 10:13 AM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Back to the suitcase bomb, it looks like the weights I see out in the internet world are 150 lbs. I think it is mostly the actual material that provides that weight.

January 16, 2007 10:24 AM  
Blogger John S. said...

One more thing...

When Jack kicks that guy off of the train, he should have turned around and said "No Ticket."

January 16, 2007 10:25 AM  
Blogger John S. said...

I thought we were not talking about Monday's episode until Mitch watched it!!!!

January 16, 2007 10:33 AM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

No, thats why we do it on a blog, he can join in and comment when he can. Should not prevent us from talking about it.

January 16, 2007 10:40 AM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Besides, you took your holiday and decided not to post yesterday, we will not wait for anyone, There isn't any time.

January 16, 2007 10:41 AM  
Blogger John S. said...

You forgot the exclamation point after "there isnt any time[.]"

I agree with you on the suitcase bomb being carried around like a laundry bag. Fissile material is pretty heavy, and they should have acccounted for that.

However, while we are talking about it, how about THAT for a season opener?

People... THAT is why you do not sit around crying about crap like "well, if we do that, the freedom fighters win!!!1!@~!"

January 16, 2007 10:49 AM  
Blogger John S. said...

I thought it was satellite imagry, if it was from the choppers, that is fine, but, I did not ehar that.

January 16, 2007 10:50 AM  
Blogger John S. said...

Oh... andI think the nuke will be enough.

I mean, if it is not, well, what CAN spur him on?

After it happened, I thought that the gods really extolled a heavy price for refusing the call to adventure, but, I thought it was really a awesome way to start the season.

January 16, 2007 10:53 AM  
Blogger Foghorn said...

Well, I watched. Thoroughly enjoyed it too.

My responses to your comments:

The shot of Jack before they destroyed Assoud's safehouse was supposed to be satellite. Chloe said it was.

I think the nuclear explosion was all Jack needed to come back.

January 16, 2007 11:09 AM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Four More Visitors

They will not be in LA. Think he heads to San Francisco next? The travel time is always a problem with 24.

January 16, 2007 11:18 AM  
Blogger John S. said...

OK... Good site about the suitcase nukes:

http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/020923.htm


This site:
http://bcsia.ksg.harvard.edu/publication.cfm?program=CORE&ctype=article&item_id=1223

has the RA-155 backpack nuke weighing in at about 50 pounds. Maybe it was not as heavy as we thought.

January 16, 2007 11:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK-- I read your post with comments-- was it Ted's post with John's comments or vice versa? (who was in italics) I clicked on the comments and saw people started reviewing Monday's show so I stopped reading.

My quick thoughts...I will not address them all as you covered all of them very well- but I'll give some thoughts...


1. Total agreement about the Pres. sister,. don't be calling big brother and pull rank in the face of a warrant. Totally lame. I don't know if she has something to hide- but whoever made that point, Erika?, its a good one. For what its worth- Jen thought the Pres. sister was good. She has some good insight into this show-- last year she really liked Logan's wife right off the top when the show portrayed her as an addicted, mentally unstable woman. So, we'll see if she's right again.

2. Regarding John's comment about how "real" this feels-- I would just like to thank Fox for making me feel very safe when I take the subway and busses.

3. Funny how the writers get rid of Audrey and Kim in the same breath-- and in less than 20 seconds.

4. That must have been some shower than Jack got-- in less than 15 minutes he goes from being on a cargo plane deported from a Chinese prison for 20 mos to a perfect haircut and voice. Also good to see he hasn't lost any strength. As to what the US gave up for Jack- one can only guess- missile technology was mentioned-- I have no idea-- ? Who knows-- whatever it is- no doubt it will come under scrutiny for being incomplete or something and they will try and get Jack back.

5. Milo is cool-- he's Chloe's ex-husband-- he will not be a bad guy. Nadia on the other-hand... well she's definitely hot??? Did they show her speaking Arabic to plant a seed of doubt?

6. Nice to see Buchanan and Karen Hayes back together-- recall she rejected his offer for coffee at the end of last season-- guess he took a raincheck.

7. Curtis is the single most under-utilized character on the show.

8. Tickets on a subway in LA-- who knew they even had a subway in LA-- wasn't it last seen in Diehard 3 under construction? Apparently its built. Maybe the reason nobody takes it is b/c you need a ticket on the train.

9. I like how conflicted Jack is-- he can go from saving himself by going all "Hannibal Lecher" on someone to "not being able to do this anymore" after Asad is able to extract info during his interrogation. I think more of this is shown on Monday night's episode- but I didn't watch that yet....

Questions--

1. The scars on Jack's back were from whippings with a cane or whip-- but what was on his hands?

2. Is Buchanan the head of CTU or Nadia? What is Nadia's position.

3. Who's the new guy at CTU with the mustache and longer hair-- made the stupid comment to Chloe about "Jack biting the farm?" Also got into it in the beginning with Chloe-- is he supposed to be the new Tony?

I'm sure there are more- but that's what I have right now....

January 16, 2007 11:46 AM  
Blogger John S. said...

1. The scars on Jack's back were from whippings with a cane or whip-- but what was on his hands?

looks like chemical burn

2. Is Buchanan the head of CTU or Nadia? What is Nadia's position.

yes. Not sure what Nadia is right now

3. Who's the new guy at CTU with the mustache and longer hair-- made the stupid comment to Chloe about "Jack biting the farm?" Also got into it in the beginning with Chloe-- is he supposed to be the new Tony?

Milo was around last year. He is something of a tool. Also, I really think the threat of a nuke in LA would serve to quell any petty bickering about dating the same woman. that was kind of silly.

January 16, 2007 11:58 AM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Milo was in season one as well as an analyst.

January 16, 2007 12:12 PM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

The actor Balfour then got the role on Six Feet Under as Claires slacker druggy boyfreind, so he did not come back for Season 2. He was in that Law & Order Conviction last year.

January 16, 2007 12:15 PM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Bill Buchanan (CTU Director)

Nadia Yassir (CTU Second-in-Command)

Chloe O'Brian (CTU agent)

Curtis Manning (CTU agent; Head of Field Ops)

Morris O'Brian (Chloe O'Brian's ex-husband and CTU Analyst)

Milo Pressman (CTU Analyst)

Nadia moved into Bill's Position from last year. Rudy was Head of CTU last year.

January 16, 2007 12:19 PM  
Blogger John S. said...

So... what do you think?

Sandra is the contact point for the BTG?

January 16, 2007 12:29 PM  
Blogger luvmygsds2 said...

OK Boys here are some of my thoughts regarding the last 2 nights. Mind you this is a woman's perspective which is always different than you guys. OK I know some spoilers from tv guide but only in the context of who is who and who is coming up. Won't say anything unless asked.

President: Probably could have picked someone else but I think they needed to show a past relationship of Jack's i.e. to show the conflict of the President giving him up and for Jack to truly understand. Couldn't have pulled it off with anyone else. Jack respected and had a bond with David Palmer and most of that passed on to his brother especially when he showed up last year to find out who killed him.

Sister: Definately a PITA. I think she is hiding something but she may also just be a preachy obnoxious person who is there to drive her brother crazy.

Lennox don't like or trust him. Still think he works for the blue chip group. I also think we may find out the Blue Chip group masterminded the whole election of the President of course unknown to him.

One of the lady's at work also watches 24 and she also doesn't trust Lennox

Chloe will always be Chloe and despite the new hairdo and outfit will never change. Enough said.

Nadia- She is a muslim that is how she was able to communicate with the terrorist in their own language.

Jack- Poor guy so conflicted. I am still in shock about Curtis. I don't think we have ever or will ever see Jack break down like that. It had to be one of the hardest things he has ever done.

Curtis- Always liked him. I will miss him.

Now as far as family members and the fallout of the nuclear bomb, we don't know where Kim and Audrey are they could be in the area where the bomb went off and Jack could freak out about that. Who knows. I just wonder if we are going to see this new Jack for the whole season. Could make for an interesting season. We could see a survivalist as opposed to the killing machine of the past.

Anyway that is it for now.

January 16, 2007 1:53 PM  
Blogger luvmygsds2 said...

John asked the question as to whether we think Sandra is contact with BTG group. Good question, could be but she doesn't know who and what they really are. She is definately hiding something not sure what yet give me a few more episodes. As far as her boyfriend after last night he knows nothing. I believe he is innocent of any terrorist acts or contacts etc. He definately looked confused at first when the guys asked him did he say anything plus if he was involved he certainly would not have said anything to Sandra about it. I don't think Sandra has terrorist ties either at least that she knows of. What do you guys think?

January 16, 2007 2:02 PM  
Blogger John S. said...

Luvmy...,

Good point about Wayne Palmer being one of the few people who could be President and have a personal reason to make the decision harder for him. However, they did not pull that off very well. All-in-all Wayne merely looked like he was giving lip service, albeit with a basis in fact, to Jack.

I am really warming up to the idea of Sandra as the link to the Blue Tooth Gang. This "charity" would be an opportune place to have an "agent" of the BTG as it serves as a crossing point between the US Government and fundamentalists.

January 16, 2007 2:27 PM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Sandra and BTG connected. I give it better then even odds to be true.

Lennox and BTG, a little obvious, 4-1 connected

Hayes and BTG
500-1

Nadia and BTG
20-1

Morris and BTG

50-1

Milo and BTG

1000-1


Rest of Field

10-1

January 16, 2007 2:36 PM  
Blogger John S. said...

Krush

Your odds on Lennox are too low. No way, no how, is Lennox tied to the BTG. It is too obvious.

Nadia is not a mole. If you are willing to pay 20-1 odds, I will take that bet.

Haynes...hmmmm... now SHE has some potential. For no other reason that this is 24 and we need another couple of "NO WAY!" moments. I mean, she is married to Bill Buchanan and, as we know, no-one can be married on 24 and be happy. I am warming up to her connection also because they are selling the Lennox character as the bad guy so early on.

Moreover, now that I think about it.... Karen was the one pushing for Assad's death when Lennox was saying he thought this plan had no merit. If Lennox was connected to the BTG, he would not have pushed against taking out Assad. Also, when Jack calls and says that Assad is innocent, it was Karen who spoke first, advising that Jack's ability to assess the situation might be impaired.

Hmmm... I am beginning to like this more and more.

January 16, 2007 3:11 PM  
Blogger John S. said...

Krush-

I will take you 500:1 odds.

Are you good for a $1 bet?

January 16, 2007 3:24 PM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

If I was making book on the whole spectrum of odds I would make the bet. As a one time straight bet I cannot risk the 500 to your 1. The reason it is 500-1 is that it would be a no fucking way moment.

January 16, 2007 4:19 PM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Laugh moment

Jack taking the Jeep from that poor guy by just throwing him to the ground and telling him to stay.

Then crashing into the guy and screaming screw you at them. You almost wish 24 just beeped him.

January 16, 2007 5:33 PM  
Blogger John S. said...

That would have been cool if they gave an "F" you but beeped it. Not sure if that would have taken us out of the moment, but, I would have laughed pretty hard.

January 17, 2007 8:42 AM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Kumar was on Law and Order SVU last night as a rapist looking for celebrity. Looks like he is trying to shake the stoner persona. Plus last ngiht he was back to being Indian.

January 17, 2007 9:23 AM  
Blogger John S. said...

I just checked him out on IMDB.

He has been in EVERYTHING.

The guy has taken the Indian work ethic and applied it to Hollywood.

check it out!

January 17, 2007 9:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Mitch--

1. All 4 hours were terrific. Unfortunately, I knew
curtis was going to die- and at the hands of Jack--
but not that way. The entire episode-- starting in
the car ride there was way too much tension between
Jack and Curtis. I thought Curtis was going to kill
Asad and then Jack kill Curtis. Close- but what an
unbelievable ending-- the look on Curtis' face would
haunt someone forever. Just awful. Jack's pain after
that was gut wrenching-- hence the puking on the
street. BTW-- the music was haunting after Jack
killed Curtis-- just chilling.

BTW-- So much for being a regular on the show, right? These
guys have no job secruity. FYI-- new CTU field agent
will be played by Rick Schroder-- can you believe???
Curtis was so awesome and to be replaced by this???
This might be as out of place as Rudy being Dir. of
CTU last year.

2. Anyone think that Asad is playing everyone here?
Hasn't anyone in the White House or CTU even thought
of that fact that Asad might be doing some double and
triple agent stuff here. He just managed to arrange
for a presidnetial pardon and the whole thing might be
a ploy. He could be working with Fayed. It is a
thought- and perhaps I'm wrong- but the entire pardon
thing happened way too quickly and easily.

3. Obviously a prisoner was going to escape. Its the
shows MO to always have a dirty guard, a mole, someone
to let the bad guys do their thing.

4. Where was Fayed when the nuke went off? he
clearly wasn't in the blast zone.

5. I felt horrible for the father who delivered the
package. He did everything he possibly could-
including killing the person on the other end of the
dleivery. He did not deserve to die.

6. I don't like the President's sister-- too much
calling up big brother to get her out of tourble. She's annoying and way to freakin liberal even for my
liberal standards. I mean give me a break. Tom Lennox's come back to her when she called was
classic-- "I'm sure that would make a very fine law
review article"- had me cracking up.

I do think Wayne Palmer will be much better than
Logan. Logan was a wonderful actor and deserved an
award for the job he did with Logan. Wayne will prove
to be far more decisive than Logan.

7. Morris- Chloe's ex- is freakin hysterical. The other guy though- Milo- is really cheezy and annoying. I don't remember him at all from season 1.

Looks like every time Jack wants to get out- something
gets him back in. I would quit if I were him too. I
mean look at the guy-- his back has been caned and
whipped-- who knows what's all over his hands-- he's
been through hell- and then he has to shoot his own
man in favor of a terorirst?

There is no more terrifying image than a mushroom
cloud. Seeing the mushroom cloud on satellite images
was well done too. Watching it in black and white get
bigger and bigger was very well done.

BTW--- John your comment about Jack kicking the terrorist off the subway and saying, "No ticket" is way too Indiana Jones in the blimp posing as a security guard. And spekaing of blimps....

Can't wait to see next week when Jack gets a crack at
Dr. Romano--

Mitch

January 17, 2007 10:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BTW- I'm glad the kid-- Scott-- didn't try and do anything stupid with Ahmed-- that would have just been really lame.

January 17, 2007 10:48 AM  
Blogger John S. said...

Mitch - I was going for the joke about the Indiana Jones thing and the blimp.

I thought about Assad playing a double role here. However, I can't see it. The only reason Assad is alive is because Jack bit that guy's throat out and escaped. Unless Fayed planned for that contingency and "let" him escape in that fashion, there is no way he can be playing everyone for a fool.

Now, he might have a change of heart later, but, I do not think he was going into this with a double-cross in mind. However, even with the U.S. Pardon, I am sure he could be tried for acts of terrorism in the UK or any other country. So, personally, a "double-cross" would be a very dangerous gambit.

January 17, 2007 10:53 AM  
Blogger John S. said...

best line... after "now I can die for something" was "I'm sure that would make a very fine law review article."

Really, that one statement said SO much about the two characters.

January 17, 2007 10:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

do you guys watch the previews? Jack has some pretty good lines coming to Romano- but I won't give them away. They were only in previews. I don't like spoilers. I got the Rick Schroder info from Jen reading People.

January 17, 2007 10:59 AM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Anyone think that Asad is playing everyone here?

I agree with John, the mechanism of saving Asad was too risky for him to have ben playing Jack. He may have second thoughts, but I think Asad is the writers way of exploring all sides of the conflict with Islamist terrorists. They are going with the IRA/England model, eventually all sides reach an exhaustion point.

Where was Fayed when the nuke went off?

Obviously Fayed was getting the hell out of LA, he had no plans to be blown up. Interesting question of why a suicide bomber in the subway in LA when LA was targeted for a nuke. Poor use of resoources by Fayed.

January 17, 2007 11:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But we saw Fayed give the detonation device - or whatever it was to the prisoner-- we never saw him leave-- or did we???

January 17, 2007 11:23 AM  
Blogger John S. said...

I agree with Mitch on this one.

We saw Fayed hand over the device to the bomb maker and, a little while later, he left. Now, let us just assume, even though it is not true, that this occurred at the VERY beginning of the show. He can not be more than two hours away. In LA, that is not too far.

I wonder if he will be affected.

January 17, 2007 11:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know about affected-- its possible-- but I'm just surprised he wasn't in the blast zone. Frankly, I don't know how Jack won't be affected-- or anyone at CTU. They will have to be "locked down." Is Valencia 25 miles from CTU?

Another great line from the other night,

Nadia to Chloe- "Pull up a grid of all the commerical and residential spots on the map." (or something like that)

Chloe-- "You mean like I already did."

Chloe has some funny lines.

January 17, 2007 11:38 AM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Fayed said "I have other things to do and left around 9:30, so 30 minutes from Valencia, in the right direction is fine. The blast zone was only 1KM right? It was the radition zone that was bigger, that takes time to travel.

January 17, 2007 11:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fayed stayed after the device was delivered by the father. He said something like he might be useful. He asked the prisoner if this is what he needed and was told it was. Beyond that, I don't recall seeing him leave. It is moot b/c we know he does-- I just thought he would have been there to hand the programmed device over to someone or something like that.

January 17, 2007 11:53 AM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

By the way, the Morris/Milo name thing is confusing, but they are stuck with it now.

January 17, 2007 11:58 AM  
Blogger John S. said...

One Km = 1.6 miles.

On a bad day, you mght not be able to travel 1.6 miles in a half-an-hour.

However, I can't see them having Fayed get exposed, unless, of course, he DOES get exposed and, now, is on a race against the time of his own death....

January 17, 2007 12:04 PM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

One Km = 1.6 miles.

Umm, isn't it the other way around. One Mile = 1.6 KM?

January 17, 2007 1:44 PM  
Blogger John S. said...

*looking at what I typed*

uhh... yeah...

I was just testing you.

January 17, 2007 2:13 PM  
Blogger Foghorn said...

Two things:

1)"Fayed said "I have other things to do and left around 9:30, so 30 minutes from Valencia, in the right direction is fine. The blast zone was only 1KM right? It was the radition zone that was bigger, that takes time to travel."

Fayed asked the prisoner guy how long he it would take him to install/complete and he said 20 minutes. Immediately thereafter Fayed commented that he had other things to do and left.

2) It just dawned on me that they needed that computer electronics device to complete the 1st suitcase nuke. What about the other 4? Wouldn't they need the same thing? If not, why do you even need the prisoner guy in the first place?

January 17, 2007 3:58 PM  
Blogger John S. said...

Good point.

I guess the other four are ready to go?

Not sure how they will get around that one.

January 17, 2007 4:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well-- we don't know if there will be 5 suitcase nukes. The Arabic translation from what Walleed (sp) heard in the prison was "5 visitors."-- does visitor mean suitcase nuke? There could be 4 more attacks that don't involve suitcase nukes. Remember- the one that Fayed got his hands on was supposedly the last one prodcued by the Soviets.

January 18, 2007 10:47 AM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

I think Assad said Visitor was code word for nuclear weapon, so 5 visitors, five nukes.

January 18, 2007 1:29 PM  
Blogger Foghorn said...

But you are right that Nadia said there was only one suitcase unaccounted for.

January 18, 2007 1:31 PM  
Blogger John S. said...

Perhaps the "visitors" will all have a different character. Kind of like the plagues that hit Eqypt.

I mean, the next bomb could make frogs fall from the sky or something!

January 18, 2007 1:33 PM  
Blogger luvmygsds2 said...

OK about the Nuke I do not believe it was supposed to go off when it did. CTU found these guys and they just set it off. That was not the location for it to go off. The bomb maker was supposed to meet everyone at the safehouse when he was done. He wasn't supposed to go up with his bomb. CTU sped up the whole events by finding them. Remember they said the Dad would be good to have in future then they would kill him.

January 18, 2007 1:51 PM  
Blogger luvmygsds2 said...

OK me again. There could easily be 4 other bombs ready to go. You would not put all your eggs in one basket in this case. You would have several different drop off locations in case you got caught therefore the whole mission would not be washed out only 1 faze. So yes I believe there are more out there. And I still believe it was not their intention to have it blow up when and where it did.

January 18, 2007 1:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

see- I don't think there will be 5 different attacks-- unlike the plague reference and BTW- John- you should go to a Passover Seder and learn how the 10 plagues of Pharoh multiplied 10 fold and even 50 fold to result in an alarmingly high number of plagues-- its a crazy new math theory- but I digress.

There will be 4 attacks if the "5 visitor" theory is correct-- however- there is a problem with them using the supposedly last suitcase nuke. Do you think there will be 4 more nuclear attacks?

Last question- I'm sure you guys remember the made for TV movie "The Day After"-- we were roughly in 7th grade. That movie scared the hell out of me. It was shown during the heart of the Cold War. Recently, Keith Olbermann was talking about how 24 is scaring the hell out of Americans and is exactly what the Bush agenda wants-- to scare us so we continue to fight and support this war on terror. Personally, I've never heard of something so outrageous in my life-- I mean we're talking about a FICTIONAL TV show here. Did anyone see this? I read something about it-- and my 2 cents is simply that Olbermann should have stuck to sports. He is so off-base on this one its not even close. Thoughts????

January 18, 2007 1:57 PM  
Blogger luvmygsds2 said...

OK so I think there will definatly be a threat of 4 more attacks. They may not have the means to pull it off but I do think they will threaten it. As far as scaring the hell out of us. Sleeper Cell first season did that way better than 24 ever has. Never heard the interview.

January 18, 2007 2:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

don't know sleeper cell 4.

As for the attacks-- no doubt they will come-- and no doubt they will have the means execute them. I just wonder if the attacks will be nuclear attacks.

January 18, 2007 2:14 PM  
Blogger John S. said...

Regarding Olbermann, I think he is nothing short of a hack who is rady, willing and able to say anything he thinks will put him in the spotlight. As a journalist, I think his behavior is reprehensible.

January 18, 2007 3:14 PM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Regarding Olbermann, I think he is nothing short of a hack who is rady, willing and able to say anything he thinks will put him in the spotlight. As a journalist, I think his behavior is reprehensible.

Olbermann is no more a journalist then Bill O'Reily. He is a pundit. He is no worse then anyone on Fox News. The only thing about 24 I really hate, all the fox news banners in the background when they show newscasts.

Sleeper Cell is a must watch for any 24 fan.

January 18, 2007 3:35 PM  
Blogger John S. said...

They do show other news channels, however, for copyright reasons, "FoxNews" is the only real one they show. They use "CNB" or something like that.

Obviously I was not saying I am a journalist. It would be the same as saying that I think Matt Damon (MAAAAAAAAATT DAAAAAAAAY-MON) is a good actor, but, as a political commenter, he sucks balls.

January 18, 2007 4:22 PM  
Blogger rukrusher said...

Here is a question, what is traffic like in LA after a Nuke goes off? I say Jack travels by helicopter the rest of the show.

January 22, 2007 4:09 PM  
Blogger John S. said...

I think they might have a couple of delays on the Santa Monica Freeway

January 22, 2007 5:34 PM  

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